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I think in terms of well being
like
a massive thing that I’ve learnt over these 12 months is really going
you actually need to look after yourself
like you know
we go through that growth and journey when you’re a clinician
and you learn you know
it’s never worth burning yourself out for one person
if you burn yourself out you won’t be able to help everybody
you sort of forget that when you go into business
and you sort of just be everything to everybody
and you forget that life is made to live
and not to serve every other person except for yourself
and that’s what so many of the people I talk to fall into that trap of
I’ll sacrifice and that’s
you know all of the way up I was having of
do I want to drive two hours every day
like I built this business
we got it to a point where I didn’t need to do that
why would I choose that moving forward
so it’s been really interesting
it’s actually helped my mind frame very helpfully
Hello everybody and welcome to The Healthy Business Lab Podcast
where we interview amazing allied health business owners
to learn their insights pick their brains
get the gold nuggets
and share amazing insights and stories with the community
and today I’m super excited to have Alyce Svensk
she is The OT Coach Australia
welcome to the show Alyce
thanks Craig
thanks so much for having me
so on our podcast again
giving a bit of an insight as to your background
your profession I’d love for you to
share a bit of your backstory in as much as
you’ve run your own practices and now you’re in the coaching space
I’d love to give you a little bit of a highlights reel of
what that journey’s been like for you
yeah it’s been interesting
next year will be 15 years of practice
just have to say that
cause I’ve accidentally all year been saying 15 years this year
it’s next year so I’m a pediatric occupational therapist
and I went straight into private practice
so I was at UNI and was like
I want to work with kids that’s definitely what I want to do
and was really purposeful with my early part of my career
spent the first five years in different practices
building my skills and clinical reasoning
and all of the things
with a long term plan that I always had in my head of
I wanted my own practice I wanted to build a team
I wanted to build the skills of people around me
and which led to me opening my practice in 20
I had my practice open for nearly eight years
so that was called sensational start
and through that we had about 50 employees across those eight years
we had 15 therapists we had lots of therapy assistants
lots of admin staff over the years
and we hosted about 30 students as well
so with that practice had three clinic spaces
we had three different locations
got it to a point where I had a fantastic practice manager
which
really allowed me to be able to have a second arm of the business
which was the coaching and training
so I’ve been providing external supervision and training
probably for the last 8 or 7 years
sort of started the business and then
just had a little side gig
I guess of doing external supervision and training
I developed a workshop called The Art of Paediatric Therapy
it’s now in its 8th year
and ran that around Australia
I used to go with OTA
and then fly me to different locations across Australia
and I reckon I’ve trained probably 3,000 OTs through that
which is really cool so been having lots of OTs yeah
so really cool through that
I guess it developed my confidence and experience
of working with so many different OTs
that I started to get a really good understanding
of what everyone’s challenges were and what that looks like
and upskilled further as a supervisor
and sort of that naturally led into business mentoring
and other therapists in that same boat
I sort of probably in 2021
I started a secondary business
Alyce Spence Consulting but rebranded it to be the OT Coach Australia
that was an interesting process
and then we got hit by what I call the perfect storm
start of last year it’s really tricky to hire
it’s very tricky to hire therapists
and we had a couple of my fantastic girls decide
they were ready to move on to their next wonderful careers and ideas
and had to decide what I was going to do
do I pivot and go back into the business
do I stop doing the other side of the business
that was at that point my whole case load was supervising and training
we had the three clinics
do I want to keep driving and going down to the clinic
like do I want to go back to being a full time clinician
like all of the things
so many options at those sorts of points to be able to explore
absolutely and I guess like reflectively
it’s been a really good decision that I made
like it took me a long time as a business owner to stop saying we
and start saying I like we did this and we did that
oh no like it was mostly me and it was just like my good team
but you know it was mostly me
and so I had to decide what I wanted to do
and had to consider what I want to do
family wise and how much do I want to work and what will that look like
and so made the very hard decision of closing the practice
and we had sort of six months to navigate
shutting that down effectively
and slowly transitioning our clients out
and being quite purposeful with our team
and where they went and what their next steps were
so that was a lot it was a big year last year
had to keep running the other side of the business
so that I had somewhere to land and some money coming in
and all of those things so it was a lot
but getting to this end of it now
and with the NDIS changes
and with the ongoing threats to paediatrics
and all of the things in this foundational support space
I am very glad that this is where we’ve landed
and it allows me to fully lean into the OT coach
where I’m training
and mentoring and supervising therapists all over Australia
it’s sort of the same same but different
and now I just get to be everyone’s cheerleader instead of having to
like also navigate all the changes internally
that’s so cool and it’s such
a breath of experience that you’ve shared
that you’ve experienced across I guess
the allied health space
and the continuum of going through each stage and phase of that
what I love to get the stories of as well
I’m interested in your insights
having done that of with your skill set as an OT
we always talk about here on each stories on podcast
of how we can leverage that in looking after ourselves
as a business owner be able to run a good business owner
whether it’s in practice or whether it’s coaching or wherever it is
we need to look after ourselves
so that background and OT also gives an interesting space
which I know on our first chat
we touched upon this a little bit
that just came up from organic conversation of you mention of hey
I know that I’ve leveraged some of my skills and those trainings
to be able to do all those things that you’ve just touched on there
I’d love for you to share a bit more on that with our listeners
yeah I guess as an OT
you’re constantly thinking about what do we do
why do we do it what’s important
that can get so skewy when you own a business
and when suddenly you’re responsible for all these other people
and it’s really hard as a therapist
like a few things I found quite tricky being a therapist
which I think would be easier if I wasn’t a therapist
I am a really kind boss like I am so kind and helpful and I’ll help
help help
help help
but that sometimes gets tricky
if you have to then have a more direct conversation
and actually you just need to work
and that’s hard because I’m programmed to help
like I’m programmed to make things easier for you
so that was something I had to learn over time as well
and something now I’m a lot more mindful of
supporting our therapists
when they’re moving into leadership and business roles
to not do therapy for their team
and instead just have clear expectations and clarity and expectations
you know all of those things
I think in terms of well being
like
a massive thing that I’ve learnt over these 12 months is really going
you actually need to look after yourself
like you know
we go through that growth and journey when you’re a clinician
and you learn you know
it’s never worth burning yourself out for one person
if you burn yourself out you won’t be able to help everybody
you sort of forget that when you go into business
and you sort of just be everything to everybody
and you forget that life is made to live
and not to serve every other person except for yourself
and that’s what so many of the people I talk to fall into that trap of
I’ll sacrifice and that’s
you know all of the way up I was having of
do I want to drive two hours every day
like I built this business
we got it to a point where I didn’t need to do that
why would I choose that moving forward
so it’s been really interesting
it’s actually helped my mind frame very helpfully
and it’s been able to
I guess like I run a workshop about setting up private practice
and now I talk about pivot points and like
what would happen if you had to exit
and are we thinking about this from the start
because no one that I know goes into a business with an exit plan
no one is going oh
at some point this might not work
but that’s the reality of the space we’re in at the moment
like you might have the best and we had the most amazing practice
we were at the peak we had the year before this happened
we had literally the best year we had ever had
had amazing practice manager
you know everything was just going fantastically
so if it can happen at that point
it can certainly happen at more trickier points
and we’re in a really sticky
tricky point in the NDIS world at the moment having to go
I actually need to make sure throughout whatever happens
that I am okay and that’s really important and
that’s more than just going
oh I do some meditation every morning
it’s actually going am I setting my life up for success
or am I accidentally working myself into the ground yeah
I love that and just that little point there of am I OK
I talk a lot in what we do here
are we feeling safe secure as a human being
and what are the parts of that
that actually filter down to our everyday decisions
our everyday actions and are we being intentional with that
and I think tying into that
your notion not there of thinking of what is an exit plan
and again it doesn’t have to be a 10 page document that you dot out
but at least having an idea of what are the options
what would it look like what could it look like
I love the fact that you’re having
those prompts for people to think about those things
because it cannot make massive shifts in again
the design from the start
and the quicker you get a great design set up
it makes everything else flow so much easier doesn’t it
and I think it’s important right
like I remember when I started the business when
I had a therapist say to me I’m going to be here till I’m like 45 sorry
what do you mean like I don’t want to be here that long
I don’t plan to be here that long
oh my gosh wow
so that was another little added bit I added into the web shop
like what’s your 10 year plan
what’s your 20 year plan because if you start employing people
this is meant to go like this is meant to continue on
but if you’re someone like me
who gets a bit bored and likes to jump to different things
now I need to build that intentionally into the business
and I need to have ways to meet that need
because if I accidentally set up a business
that now has this whole team
and everything like that it’s quite tricky to pivot out
but if I know that that’s what I’m thinking about
I’ll set it up in a different way
I’ll set it up in a sustainable way like that
now thinking about lease periods and things like that
we had a six year lease we were halfway through a six year lease
that we had to continue paying until somebody took that over
like stuff like that I remember
I had a big chat with a colleague when I was signing on to that lease
and going okay
worst case scenario what’s the worst case scenario
and he’s like you can make $1,000 a week
you can pay that but when I got to that point of like
just paying $1,000 a week for an empty premises
not cool not something I want to be doing for another three years
absolutely not
so but all of those things I think are just so important to consider
because oftentimes we’re not prethinking those things
and we’re committing to these long term scenarios
when actually we’re in quite a state of flux
like we don’t have control in this allied health space
we don’t have the big picture control
you know if you’ve had a price freeze for seven years
there’s not much I can do about that
like I can’t magically make money come out of other areas
where in other businesses
like I often think about this in other business spaces
where you can control what your hourly rate is
and those sort of things we’ve got more levers we can play with
but this is quite tricky so I guess again
having that long term plan of okay
what does that look like I was going to say one of my colleagues
she was telling me she always has in her head at any one point
how much would it cost her to shut down
it’s like that is such an interesting way to think about this
but it would be good to have that idea
because people don’t realise it cost money to close
like you have to have you can’t just exit with no money
it actually cost a stack of money to shut something down
hundred percent and I think I need to be talking to this
connection of yours because again
that’s music to my ears of that thought process
I know we have a conversation
cause we believe wholeheartedly in forecasting and
cash flow forecasting and those sorts of things
but it is that hundred percent at the end of every financial year hmm
what’s the cash that you need
because at the end of the day
you’re going to have a tax return historically
you don’t have to pay it until may next year quite often
but what would it be
we need to have the cash to be able to pay that today
so therefore how we planning for that that notion idea again
some great little prompts there of things to thought about
how much is it going to cost to do XYZ
or what would it look like
is a great way to frame it at the end of the day
thank you for sharing those
and I guess I’d love to already started
I love the pre framing as well
but then you know
we love to talk about experiments in business terms here
around experiments that you’ve had that have gone well
or you’ve got learnings from and the like
and especially you’re in a very interesting phase now
I could hear from that earlier introduction that you gave
there was lots of little experiments that were firing off and evolving
even from between today and when we had our very first chat
I’m curious as to what are some of the experiments
that you’re working on you’re learning from at the moment
I think that’s the I always think about this
I often go why do I know that something will work oh
that’s because I talk to hundreds of OTs all of the time
so that person’s already done that I’ve heard how that played out no
I’ve already actually seen this play out somewhere else
I find that really interesting and then on the flip side
I’ve built a business from scratch
so I’ve actually done all of the experiments
I’ve done all the failures
I’ve done all of the things I know
like at one point we signed on a lease for a clinic
and the therapist who was meant to take on the lease
walked into my office and quit
the next day she didn’t even start sick
I just signed a lease for you to work full time in
and we’re not going to have anyone down
you know like
so I’ve done all of this which is why like
I try and put all this out there in the different trainings that I do
because no one you don’t know this stuff
like if no one tells you
you don’t even know these are things to be worried about
like a good example would be say somebody came in and like
hey Alyce
do you know what I’m a speechy I’ve got you a case load over here
it’s an hour away and I just go follow this shiny line over here oh
now I don’t have that OT okay
well what does that do to me
so now like
I try and teach people to just have a conscious thought around it
and come back to what are we aiming for
and where do we want to go it’s fine to have those experiments
but it’s a well thought out experiment
it’s not a reactive experiment of
oh cool
great idea oh
actually not sustainable and you can do that
I just really like that step of stop
is that okay I want to give that a crack
you know that conscious thought
knowledge is power
it’s a choice you’re making that is hundred percent okay to go that way
but if you don’t know that there could be a downside of that decision
that’s where I think that that’s really tricky
yeah I love it
and so I’d love for you to sort of break that out even a little bit
what I’m hearing is in essence
you basically you design your experiments
and it is literally you know
you think of year 8 science that
we always out
we don’t use that stuff in school that we’re not
we’re on the space science
but that idea of following an experiment of having well
you’ve got to have a hypothesis notionally
you’ve got to have a an idea or plan of how this plays out
well then
and then what are our benchmarks to mark against that
how do you go about that process
how does that look in your mind
I just have a really quick brain
that just thinks about every possibility at the same time
so currently Chat GPT is my best friend and we just flush out like
okay what would that look like
so that can be a real challenge though
because I do have really solid
I guess industry knowledge
it can really put a dampener on my actual ideas
because I’m coming in for example
I’ve got a new membership that I’ve just released
and in my head I’m like
well is it worth it
like Pediatrics is fully shifting
I know there’s a space for it
but if I’d launched it two years ago
it would have been a much wiser decision
that was when everything was thriving
blah blah blah
so that sort of stops me from doing that thing
even though I know it’s a good program
even though I know it and it has gone okay
but again
too much knowledge because if I had just blindly jumped into it
it might be a little bit more easier to do it
like one of my big experiments
I guess I did the podcast
so we’ve got a couple of podcasts
the one that I do the coaching confidential
I sort of had that in my head
it’s essentially a podcast series where I have an OT
come on they remain anonymous
so we come up with a bit of a fake name
and we have a mentoring session
so it could be a business coaching session could be
is not as usual clinical it’s more typical like hey
I’m struggling with self management or time management
or case load management things like that
and so the reason why I wanted to do that because again
having the experience of working with so many people
I was having the same conversations day after day after day
and these people feeling so alone
like no one else had ever gone through that journey
I’m like that they have I’ve talked to like six of them this week
then having that idea of like
let’s make this podcast
as a space where they can go and listen to that
and not have to pay for mentoring and supervision
and things like that I probably a lot of my
learnings have come through
all the free things that I’ve done over the years
and now having to go I can’t keep doing things for free
like now when the business is just me
and there’s no other income aside from what I make
I can’t just do all this stuff for free
and that’s really nice that I want to
so the podcast was sort of a way to do that
now Craig and I were just talking at the start of this
I still edit my podcast and I hate it like nothing else
it is not my skill set whatsoever
but I can’t hand it over cause I still need to listen and make
sure that what we chat about is appropriate
and I’m happy with the content that goes out
so it’s in this little bit of a catch 22 at the moment of like
I really dislike the process
I love the session I love what it goes out as
but that after piece is actually highly annoying
I was talking to somebody about
them editing it and they’re like
yeah you can just listen after I’m like
that still takes my time so I may as well just do it myself
like that’s actually of no benefit to me whatsoever
but when I was starting that process
I really cause I hated the editing so hard
I was like I can’t do this again
like it’s just I absolutely cannot do this again
but then the experiment worked and when the series was out there
I got a stack of referrals of people coming through
and it was a way for me to go
this information’s there
like I don’t need you’cause another thing that I’m not great at
I’m not very good at those discovery calls because I Craig just go
Craig do you know about this and this and this and this
and let me just give you all the answers and I just want to help you
and off you go you know all of the things when now I think I go
listen to the pod like that’s how I work so if you want to work with me
you can just come on over and we can get going
instead of me having to do that big introduction
and here’s how we work and this is what I offer instead I can go ah
so it was a interesting experiment
I guess during that one initially the first season
I didn’t think it was particularly well received
but we’ve actually just done a little trip around Australia
meeting different people and they’re like
I listen to the pod I listen so you know
just really scattered and yeah
really nice I guess so it is interesting
I’ve done lots I’ve tried many
many many different things and I love that
and obviously sharing the podcast
cause we’re on one of those right now
and as I’ve shared
with yourself and our listeners as well
this is very much an experiment for mine as well
and it has been hundred percent eye opening
that I love to have conversations with great people hey
I get to do that as well as share some information and knowledge
and cause you do listen back to the episodes
like you’re picking back certain aspects of it and going
oh yeah and then again
I’m improving my skill set of just being out of
think and talk on the spot a bit better
which is something that I definitely want to improve on
and knowing that
I usually like to think of things and go back and sit away
and dwell on it for a while
and then come back with a response later
it’s like okay cool
there’s so many benefits
and I think finding those things in business again
by doing different experiments and having an idea of well again
what I’m going to do how long I’m going to do it for
what do I need to know whether this is working or not
and I’ve talked about this being 100 episodes
but I’m like
we’re 25 odd episodes in roughly and we’re sitting here going
there’s already been benefit
because I’m having great conversations with great people
and I’m learning and my business is evolving as a result
I think a lot of it is you know
aligning why are we doing the thing that you’re doing
so I’ve been reflecting this
cause I’ve got my really big workshop
and there’s a lady called Becky Eakins
and she does some training around setting up self up for freedom
so it’s really
her work is moving you away from the direct clinical work
and into self paced programs
things like that and I’ve been thinking about that
but I get really bored so one of my friends was like yeah
you’ve done that like you’ve done out of peas yeah
eight years ago like I could run that now with my eyes closed
that’s like I can still do it
I still love it
it’s not the thing that I’ll keep on doing for the next 10 years
so really
learning to lean into your different energy and interest levels
I don’t have it here at the moment
but I have a whiteboard
with all of my projects that are on at the moment
and I was thinking when I show that to people they often are like
oh my god that’s so much that’s half my brain
that’s not even like
the majority of the things that are going in the brain
they’re just the active projects that I’ve got going
then you flip the whiteboard over the other side
hundred percent where are they up to and what’s happening
but I need that level of novelty
cause otherwise I don’t feel like I’m progressing forward
and I don’t really know what progressing forward even looks like
but that’s what’s been interesting in this 12 months of recalibrating
completely cause when this was a side business
and the main business was the practice
whatever I did was fine
when now I’m having to think about being a bit more intentional
and where am I going and what do I want it to look like in five years
particularly with such an industry shift is really difficult
and again
I just think this would be so much easier if I didn’t know that
I was just like blindly hitting the sand going
I can do whatever I can make it whatever I want
but I find that very hard
it’s fascinating I know I have conversations here at home around that
knowledge is brilliant
but also there is times where I go
I wish I could just bury my head in the sand about it
because it’ll be so good to just be so naive again in so many ways
imagine what you could come up with
like just whatever you want
I actually was chatting with someone about this the other day
they do AI work I was saying
so do you have to stay abreast of what other people are doing
she’s like it’s actually much better
that we don’t pay attention to what anyone else is doing
and just stay in our own lane
I was like that is actually so interesting
cause then because I wondered
why do we get such repetition across all these things
cause surely in my head I’m going
I’m keeping an eye on what they’re doing over there
and how they’re sort of navigating there
but to stay true to your purpose
it’s probably better if you don’t do that yeah
which circles back to what you were saying earlier
that whole idea of self and being aware and intentional
yeah with everything we’re doing
so if you play that that kind of makes sense
and the more we’re like that
our own brilliant ideas and thoughts come out
and again we
all we need to do is to work through them in our own way
and have a framework around that
and therefore then we can assess it
and it’s not assessing it with the outside world
it’s assessing it with what we thought was going to happen
did it do and did we get some of the outcomes or learnings
that we were after in the first place
I am I wrote an ebook earlier this year about reframing
success in business particularly allied health business
because it’s so difficult to feel like you’re being successful
depending what your measure is
so for some people you might be looking at a profit
like you look at big business and they’re looking at the profit
and that’s the measure of success
where because I work with so many solo therapists or little practices
just trying to go but actually success for you at this point
like from a financial perspective is just that you’re getting paid
how sick is that
like you’re actually paying yourself because I think again
people assume this is such a linear pathway and having done the work
it is not in any way that so getting to a point where you can go hey
I’m getting paid properly sick
that’s actually amazing that’s so good that’s actually progress
that’s a goal that I’ve met or I’m choosing
cause I think a lot of solo therapists often forget
I’m doing my clinical work in this period of time
like I have to remind them
but yes the money you’re pulling out is what you
were getting paid when you worked full time
so theoretically you should still be doing full time hours
you’re just choosing to smoosh them into a 9 till 3
or a 9 till 1 like whatever is actually working for you
and that’s where the benefit is and that’s what you wanted
we’ve achieved that how great is that
but we lose that measure
I love that and I think
that sort of segways nicely into what we love to always share here
is some of those transformative outcomes of the work that you do
and that you’ve seen in that evolution
of talking with some of these people again
even just hearing it in your voice
it’s like hey
you can actually pay yourself now
and you can pay yourself the same as what you’re doing here
but it looks probably more aligned to what you are yeah
what you want to do with what your wider lifestyle is
I’d love to here here
one or two examples of those transformations
that you’ve been able to get
with the coaching
from leveraging all that vast experience that
you’ve had over the years into what you’re doing now
I think something that I really believe
and what I’ve always sort of taught to
regardless of what it is is clarity and confidence
helping you to know what you know know what you don’t know
but know what you’re meant to know
I often think sometimes will start someone
might start with me and it’s a bit might be a bit intense right
like you might not want some hard truths given to you
you might be wanting to come to just say
this is really hard and we need to tease out and go
you’re actually not ready to make changes
that’s fine but also
you need to know that changes need to be sort of in the forefront
I guess for most people
one of the big workshops that I run now for the
setting up your private practice is
as a starting point we need to know what you’re meant to pay yourself
so that’s like that’s a bit that everyone comes in going
I need to draw us like I need to draw a salary or a certain amount
and and when I figure out what my hourly rate is
needs to be based on that and my overheads
that is transformative
because so many people go into business not knowing that
and they just come in and they’ve watched
I was in a practice and they made one 93
and I only got paid such and such and blah blah blah
and then by the time I talked to them
they’re like yeah
but now I’m getting paid heaps less working so much more I’m like yes
correct remember how you had supervision
remember how you had admin support
like you’ve now not factored any of that into the fabric
of your business
so I ran a workshop last week about how to bring on admin support
and just giving people that information to go
oh I have options and I actually need to decide what works best for me
it’s not a recipe it’s not a one size fits all
it’s I had a um
colleague that I was working with recently
and she’s working an insane amount of billable hours like
and she loves it absolutely loves it
where I’ve got other colleagues who hate it
they don’t want to sit on a high billable hour
so for her to stay there we need to bring in admin support
and probably pretty decent quality admin support
but the other person who’s going
I just want to do like 15 hours a week and I need admin
well you can’t afford it
you actually aren’t making enough money to bring in admin support
let’s talk about how that might look
so I think it’s more I’d say
the transformation is the clarity that they’re making
the right decision that fits for them
for what they’re purposing to move towards over any specific thing
I had a business coach years ago who was like
you need to tell them if you work with you
you’ll make this amount of money
I’m like oh no
thank you not my vibes whatsoever
what I will absolutely not
not me but I can help solve your problems
like if you have a problem
we can problem solve it really easily
like I can help navigate through that
so I think a lot of people like main things would be seeing themselves
making sure that they’re not doing more detriment to themselves
by bringing on staff members
being really purposeful with the decisions that they’re making
would be the main ones that we see yeah
I love that and of what I’d written down in much shorter hand
and you can catch later with you
with the way that you explain it there
but I just went
awareness equals transformation
and it was that’s what I was just hearing as you were sharing that just says
it’s amazing’cause again
some of the things you touch on there are similar to what we do with
some people some business owners and the like
but that seeing that light bulb just with a
that simplicity of knowing how much you need to pay yourself
and therefore buy default
then how much this business actually need to make yeah
like that could be light bulbs because it’s not
not what accountants
you talk about or tell people they shouldn’t do their tax stuff
but you sort of think that they help you with things
but they don’t and so having coaches like yourself
potentially they don’t have that industry awareness either to go
so I had a colleague recently where the accountant had said yeah
I you’re on target to make 180 and I was like
no you’re not
I still got I don’t know where they’re
where are you pulling that number from
we’ve got Christmas holidays coming up
we’ve got these like dead periods
you just told me you’re going on four weeks of leave
like I know your figures
there is no chance that is where we’re heading
she’s like how do you know that
I’m like cause I’ve done this
what I don’t understand how they didn’t get there
because they don’t know all the other factors to take into account
yeah I love that
and we could have another whole five episodes on that particular topic
but we might come back to that maybe in next year
I really appreciate what you’ve shared here today
coming to the end of
the session here today but I’d love for
they got so much knowledge there
I love for you to share
where’s the best places for people to find you across the podcast and
socials or where are the best places for people to connect with you
yeah, come and listen to the pod
that’s a good one it’s The OT Coaching Confidential
that’s a nice easy one to start with
there’s heaps of really cool stuff in there
like I’m thinking about going out for myself
I’m midway through so just some really easy listening stuff
I have a website theotcoach.au
that’s probably the other next bit
and then if you’re a pediatric
OT who happens to be listening to this
I’ve just started a membership
so that’s really cool
but I am hoping my next little project is to do a practice manager one
so a one where practice managers can come together
and have a space to learn
and grow and share so some cool things in the works too
that sounds so good and obviously
we’ll put all those details into the show notes
and any future ones that come up
we’re always happy to update notes and the like
and as this podcast evolves as well
we’ve got awesome
great people like Alyce that we’ll likely have back again
because again
such a breadth of knowledge
that as we delve into things in certain specific areas or niches
we’ll get some of our our guest back again
once again thank you very much for your time on the podcast today
yeah so so helpful with all the knowledge that you’ve shared
thanks again no worries
thanks so much for having me
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